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Amazuntu might not be legal in Europe

It’s good to see that I’m not the only one worried about the legality of the Unity Shopping lens, which is —IMHO— the most useless piece of software developed for Ubuntu.

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16 thoughts on “Amazuntu might not be legal in Europe

  1. Is it really necessary to say “the most useless piece of software”? There’s no problem with criticising others or offering advice to improve things, but this kind of language is IMHO not very respectful to the people who spent a lot of time work on this.

    If you feel it’s useless, don’t use it. There are millions of pieces of functionality in the Ubuntu archive I don’t use, because I have no use for them – and that in my mind is very easy to accept and live with.

    • Fitoschido says:

      I didn’t want to be rude to anyone. But it IS useless —at least for me— simply because Amazon is not present in the country I live.

  2. Steve von Maria says:

    Simply by using the term ‘most useless’, shows that your post is probably not based on facts. It is difficult to take seriously your post.

    The Mozilla Foundation takes in $300m per year for the next three years, simply by having Google as the default search engine. And Google has the chance to show their AdSense ads. This parternship is good for both of them.

    Canonical has a similar partnership with Amazon, and I hope in the future they manage to cover a big chunk of the expenses.

    The link you provide is full of misconceptions and half truths, not worth for commenting.

    • Fitoschido says:

      I have expressed above why the lens is useless for me, and I fail to see why would that undermine the credibility of others’ research.

      You compare Google and Mozilla with Amazon and Ubuntu. These partnerships are very different as I understand them, because Google acts as the search engine for Firefox, but Ubuntu acts as the search engine for Amazon, which is very intrusive, annoying and with little benefit for international users.

      And I wish to know why the post I linked is “ful of misconceptions and half truths”. It would be more helpful if you’re a lawyer, of course.

      • Steve von Maria says:

        > I have expressed above why the lens is useless for me, and I fail to
        > see why would that undermine the credibility of others’ research.

        I am not a native English speaker either. I know however that terms like “the most useless piece of software” show that you are biased. Actually you appear heavily biased, giving an emotional response. Such an emotional reposonse is a red flag as to the point you are trying to make.

        > …but Ubuntu acts as the search engine for Amazon, which is very
        > intrusive, annoying and with little benefit for international users.

        Any Amazon results that the Dash shows, come from a server at Canonical. Amazon does not get to see your IP address. Amazon does not get to see your IP address unless you click on one of the Amazon search results. It’s similar to the ads that GMail provides (if you do not click on them, then the advertisers do not get something).

        > And I wish to know why the post I linked is “ful of misconceptions
        > and half truths”. It would be more helpful if you’re a lawyer, of course.

        There is lots of anti-Ubuntu negativity, and that article is an example of such an anti-Ubuntu negativity. It is not a fun passtime to debank the negativity of the Internets.

    • The day Canonical will be transparent toward users among how much they get from Amazon, maybe we will start to be able to compare the partnership.

      • Fitoschido says:

        Michael, Canonical does not need to be transparent, as it’s a privately held company. But I see your point.

  3. m_h_n says:

    I agree with the poster. I think everyone is entitled to his/her opinion, and some opinions may always sound harsh to other people, so they have to be expressed carefully.

    Personally, I am extremely disappointed with what Canonical is doing to the desktop. In particular, the dash. I tried to use it a lot, but my feeling (subjective : based on my usage and what the people I know think) is that is tries to do everything, and does everything bad. It’s meant to make people gain time, but I lose a lot of time trying to use it.

    Well, it could be optional, you’re not forced to use it. But it’s sad it replaced the apps / locations menu.

    Also, I’m concerned by ethics. “everyone” uses Amazon, but its developement and social models can be criticized. Furthermore, I don’t like the fact many websites are queried everytime I search something in the dash (so many useless request). It’s important to remain focused when you work. What is the point in being flooded constantly by tons of search results that have then to be sorted anyway ? Finally, what sense does it make to see what Amazon sells ? Are we constantly impulsively buying new stuff without our looking for it ?

    Well, I’m an Ubuntu user and love it overall, and I think it makes me even more responsible for expressing my concerns. My opinion is that the dash is a catastrophy (please, I’m not attacking anyone, just a feeling about a piece of software). And I’m quite mad at Canonical for making us constantly betatest Unity which still has so many rough edges (compared to GS for instance).

    • Steve von Maria says:

      > I think everyone is entitled to his/her opinion, and some opinions
      > may always sound harsh to other people, so they have to be expressed
      > carefully.

      Opinions should always be phrased clearly, as some may not be native English speakers and you might end up debating about the expressions, not the point.

      > Furthermore, I don’t like the fact many websites are queried everytime
      > I search something in the dash (so many useless request).

      Well, you are wrong. You can use Wireshark to capture the network packets while Dash is loading the items. Then, you can easily verify that Amazon is not accessed. As long as you do not click on the search results, you do not access Amazon. It is the same situation with the Google ads and the advertized companies.

      > My opinion is that the dash is a catastrophy (please, I’m not attacking anyone,
      > just a feeling about a piece of software).

      “catastrophy”? You are so negative against Unity that no matter what argument you are presented with, you will still be against.

      As you use an ad-blocker for Firefox to hide ads, you can simply click on the System Settings option in Ubuntu to remove the Amazon search results. It’s a simple option.

      • m_h_n says:

        I think the points have been made on both sides, tons of times already.

        What I don’t understand is that it seems increasingly difficult to express criticism about Unity nowadays, without being considered as a Unity-hater. Which I’m not. Tons of great work was put into it. My feeling is that the great work is ruined by its rough edges (and the dash).

        As for the rest of my arguments, it’s also a matter of personal vision, so we do not necessarily have to agree.

        I know there are many other choices (Gnome Shell, Cinnamon, KDE, XFCE, LXDE etc.) but Ubuntu/Unity is the flagship of Linux distros and it’s extremely important it’s as good as it can get.

      • m_h_n says:

        BTW, after re-reading your answer I have the feeling you misunderstood my post and replied to the original poster. For instance, I do not refer the IPs being tracked by Amazon. And you to label me “Unity hater” when I mostly criticize the dash (while still being an Ubuntu user & supporter). Anyway, it’s a waste of time debating endlessly in comment.

  4. chilicuil says:

    With the disappearance of the alternative CD I bless we still have the mini.iso way to install it. Ubuntu keeps been and awesome system even with these issues. I wish Canonical could be a little bit more open before including features from which a significant part of the community don’t agree.

    And yep, you should try to sound a little less rude the next time, some persons could be offended more easily that others.

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